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Oregon's public universities want to change their relationship with the state and they're hoping the legislature can make it happen in the 2011 session. Presidents of the seven public universities and the state board of education agreed earlier this year that an overhaul should give the schools the power to make key decisions like setting tuition, negotiating benefits for faculty members and allocating funds for capital expenditures. Portland State University president Wim Wiewel has written in favor of these changes, arguing that if the state relinquishes control over the Oregon University System, the schools will be more financially sound.
Chair of the Oregon Senate education committee Mark Haas announced with his appointment that he's prioritizing higher ed reform for this legislative session. He co-chaired a task force that came up with a series of ideas to offer public universities "more authority and independence to manage affairs, operations and obligations," according to one bill summary.
But not everyone agrees on what an overhaul of Oregon's university system should look like. Some students have expressed concern that making the schools into public corporations could cause tuition to go up*. Oregonian education columnist David Sarasohn says restructuring simply isn't enough to solve the schools' financial troubles. And University of Oregon president Richard Lariviere has a bit of a different idea for funding the U of O into the future. His plan, which one editorial board called "bold," basically asks the state to make initial contributions to an endowment for the university, which would be matched by private money and gradually depend less and less on state dollars.
Reform has been a long time coming for the Oregon University System. We first addressed this topic in September of 2009.
Are you a student, faculty member or alumni of a public university in Oregon? What do you think about the ideas for restructuring the schools' relationship with the state? How would changes to the system affect you?
*Editor's note: After the show aired, the Oregon University System chancellor's office contacted us to say that the universities are not seeking public corporation status. The issue of tuition was discussed in detail on the show. You can read the most recent version of the OUS plan here (pdf).
GUESTS:
- Wim Wiewel: President of Portland State University
- David Sarasohn: Columnist for The Oregonian and author of Failing Grade
- Richard Lariviere: President of the University of Oregon
- Ben Eckstein: Junior at the University of Oregon and secretary/treasurer of the Oregon Student Association
- Bob Davies: President of Eastern Oregon University
Tagged as: college · education · legislature
Photo credit: Tom Borton / Creative Commons
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As a current University of Oregon student, I witness the impact firsthand of tuition increases and lack of accountability in the tuition setting process. Some of the hardest-working people I know are fellow students who are in their fifth or sixth year, and it is definitely not because they are slacking off. These are folks who hold positions in student government, are the presidents of their student groups and unions, athletes, fraternity and sorority members, and people who are serious about their goals. The students I'm talking about are taking extra time in school because the price of tuition is too high. The population size of UO is skyrocketing along with tuition, and students are having a difficult time accessing the classes they need to graduate, not to mention the time they are forced to take off from school to work and save up for the increasing tuition.
While I respect your opinions, Jacob, this is not the 1940s. If it were, perhaps students could afford to attend Oregon public colleges and universities instead of hassling with the costs that have doubled or even tripled in the past 20 years.
If the state wants to see "less rudderless students in limbo" who are instead "earning money, starting families, buying homes and becoming mature adults", as you say, then the state needs to make education possible. As evidenced by wins in the past decade by organizations such as the Oregon Student Association (which has won over $75 million for universities and $45 million for community colleges since 2000), it is accountability in the tuition setting process by elected officials that keeps costs low and provides access to a greater number of students. We make our voices heard in the legislature through OSA in a way that wouldn't be possible with deregulation.
Letting tuition continue to spike without holding decision makers accountable will not lead to a more educated Oregon. Don't price students out of an education. Give us access to opportunities and let us have a voice in our future and the future of Oregon.
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Though tuition rates are rising, state schools are less than half of private colleges. University of Oregon is the most prestigious but also most expensive of Oregon Colleges.
Annual Tuition rates for In-State Residents at the U of O:
2010: $6200
2009: $2500
2008: $ 1900
2007: $1800
2006: $1800
There is a concept in Economics called Opportunity Costs.
If I stay in college for 3 EXTRA years, I may get some 'extra education' included in my degree, but I am also foregoing 3 years of salary wages, retirement equity, seniority, and career advancement.
Even for a minimal secretarial job at $30,000 the lost oppurtunity cost is nearly six figures, compared to the extra TOTAL tuition costs of $8,000 over 3 years.
You are complaining about a paper cut, when a limb is severed.
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good comments about student accountability. Why not give a big financial incentive for a rapid navigation of a "4-year degree" in 4 years or less time.
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#jacob
Even when adjusted for inflation, it is TWICE as expensive to attend an Oregon public university as it was 20 years ago.
The idea that students are taking longer to graduate because they don't have a clear grasp of economics or are lazier than those who came before them is insulting at best, and perilously ignorant at worst.
The average US undergrad leaves school $23,000 in debt.
More so than anyone, we're conscious of our debt and what causes it.
The fact remains that attendance has ballooned, tuition has spiraled out of control due to decreased public investment, and the concept of accessible education that generations of Americans believed in and fought for is dying.
Even if folks who attended a public university twenty years ago didn't believe in affordable higher education, they were able to coast through the system reaping the benefits of those who did.
#roboturkey
While a good theory on paper, this doesn't solve the problem of overflowing classrooms or scheduling conflicts.
If I need one class to graduate in four years, and through no fault of my own I am unable to register for that class within that time frame, should I be penalized?
What if I'm working two jobs to pay my tuition and keep my debt manageable, and several classes I need are only offered during work hours?
And what if I need to take a year off to save some money to go back and finish my degree?
Keep in mind, tuition/fees ALONE are about $7000 a year now.
Textbooks easily run $150 now. Let's see, minimum wage is $8.50/hour in Oregon. That means I have to work more than 17 hours just to buy one book.
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California colleges saw 32% tuition hikes in one year thanks to a policy not unlike those being proposed in Oregon. As a full-time college student, an increase of $2000 per year for tuition will greatly compromise my accessibility to higher education.
Why do I have to foot the bill for someone else's mistake? I want accountability and transparency, and the ability to question my school's decisions. I do not think that is something that a deregulated educational institution can do for me. Students and their families (for those of us who are lucky enough to have families that can help) are the ones paying for tuition, so why is the education system not working for us?
There must be other ways for improvement besides deregulation and increasing tuition fees.
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The old ideas governing high school and college education may have to be reconsideered in view of our new post industrial status; A nation dedicated since 1950 to fighting unwinnable wars and simultaneously giving away our manufacturing sector. That is with one glaring and shameful exception...we still manufacture and use and sell the world's most lethal weapons.
But, elsewhere in the economy, a fundamental change is occuring. We are rapdily developing a true peonage. Most capital and its earnings are concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite who have no loyalty to this nation. Neither do they give a rip how many starve, go without medical aid or live in tents made in China.
So, I wonder just what kind of education will produce young people able to wrest control of the country from the enormously wealthy and their agents in Govt. These are people who are determined to remake America into a 19yh century style source of cheap labor and of ores from extraction industries and, of course advanced weapons. We now have 308 million people inside our borders and of that number there are perhaps 50 to 75 million, who, like the plutocrats, hold primary loyalty to another nation and people. I will wager that in another 15 to 20 yrs English will be the secondary language. So educators and text book publishers ought to take that in to consideration and no doubt are already doing so.
What does a well conditioned peonage need to know to become soldiers and peasants? For the masses simple literacy to 6th grade standard would seem to be sufficient.
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My comment is not dead on topic but I'd like to see this addressed. Could someone explain why a textbook can be required for a class, that textbook will cost over $100, only two pages of that entire textbook will be referenced during the ten week class and that textbook will be valued at only $3 after the end of the class. Thank you.
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Very good point.
The FCC used to send out their rules in a three ring binder to radio licensees. And when they changed a rule they just sent out the pages of the revised rule to replace what was changed, they did not replace the entire three ring binder.
I see no reason that textbooks in all grades and college can't do the same. Many subjects only have minor changes and their texts could be done in three ring binders replacing only any pages that actually changed or are defaced too badly or written on for notes.
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I think students really need to take professors to task on this issue. When the professor chooses a required book, s/he should be made to consider the cost as a significant factor. Students can influence their professors' decisions on textbooks by commenting on class evaluations. PSU is now offering Print on Demand services. The idea is that professors will be able to print textbooks tailored to their classes at lower costs.
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"Freedom"
"Flexibility"
"Independence"
Those are all very interesting ways to talk about what is essentially deregulation and REMOVING public accountability from the tuition setting equation.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's probably privatization and deregulation.
The bottom line is that all of the current proposals to deregulate the university system lessen the public's role in mitigating tuition hikes.
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I think it is somewhat parochial to discuss this topic as a university structure within Oregon's borders. Why can't a regional approach combine a reorganization structured over Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska to leverage resources and administration costs into a multi-state system. There is so much pure waste in maintaining separate systems in each state.
It seems that the system can have uniform regional tuition policies and allow for a blossoming of "local" policies. The real savings will be in the administrative costs that can be a fraction of the cost of maintaining 4 state systems.
Also, it seems that the speaker on right now wants the benefits of a state-funded program without having accountability back to the state for decisions made with taxpayer funds. It would be nice to give administrations autonomy, but accountability seems to be necessary.
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We used to have, and may still have some, regional cooperationon low number studies. Becoming an animal vet once was a program you could go to another state and get "in state" tuition. But once the number of students for specifics get high enough for schools in both states, this disappeared in some areas.
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Pres Wiewel makes a great point. The Legislature can and often does sweep tuition that students pay FOR THEIR EDUCATION and uses it for other state agency purposes. That's a shell game we can no longer afford.
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This is a long term Legislature proplem. Look how they killed the successful Vet Home Loan Program years ago and after its death was forced to pay back $27 million of so it swept away. It is a shell game of robbing cash piles over stepping up and funding a program.
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As a PSU employee, I have heard for years now how our school's budget is only funded about 15% by the State. If State support has consistently been so low for more than a decade, why are we a state univeristy? Students paying tuition really do need to understand where their tuition dollars end up and students need to VOTE to make their voices heard.
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Where do community colleges fit in here? I am a teacher at Columbia Gorge Community College, and our state funding has been slashed while enrollment numbers are through the roof. Can the solutions proposed for the four year universities work for community colleges as well?
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Pres. Wiewel made an interesting, if false, point when he said these proposals would let students weigh in MORE on tuition.
Currently, the entire public - including 100,000 students in the statewide Oregon Student Association - can weigh in on the tuition setting process by petitioning legislators to keep tuition hikes reasonable.
The coordinating commission - established in the education subcommittee proposal - includes one university student and one community college student.
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You are right on, pdx. And those two positions DO NOT HAVE VOTING RIGHTS. Doesn't sound like we'll have much of a say at all, does it.
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They may be able to voice an opinion about tuition rates, but they do not get to decide where the tuition dollars are spent. The State can and does take tuition dollars to fund areas other than education.
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Given the University of Oregon's egregiously misplaced priorities -- sparing no expense for athletics and starving academics to the point that we are perennially ranked well below our neighbors in Washington and California -- how can the President be trusted. It seems like we need MORE oversight and accountability in Eugene, not less!
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Oregonians have invested in building the UO for a hundred years- there is no way that 800 million would pay for the brand of UO, the faculty developed over time, the infrastructure, the research.
Why does UO get to set their own price for the cost of their institution?
Plus, what happens to the other institutions when UO has zapped all the bonding capacity for the state over the next ten years? Does this mean that all six other institutions just have to live without new buildings when they have their all time high enrollment?
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How can Lariviere present this plan with a straight face from the same university that hid a multi-million golden parachute for its athletics director, circumvented the state's agreement on furloughs for classified workers, obfuscated/foot dragged on public records, etc.? And now they want to be TRUSTED with less oversight and in Phil Knight's words, allowed to act as a private university? Knight also says one of the most important things Lariviere will do with this plan in significantly raise tuition for in-state students. How is this helpful to Oregonians, not just UO?
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Phil Knight made another great point in that article - when he said President Lariviere wants to run the UO as a private institution.
Looks like Phil didn't get the message about better public involvement in this miracle proposal...
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I noticed that Phil Knight talked about how the legislature was stopping Larivire from charging more to in state students....
Yet he's trying to pitch this as a way for an "affordable public education?". RIGHT!They already only serve 50% in state students, the second they got this they would make it impossible for Oregonians to attend UO, or charge them drastically more. WHY would this EVER be in the best interest of Oregonians??
Why isn't anyone poiting out that the emperor has no clothes on this idea? Just because you say it will be more accountable doesn't make it so.
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I know that when legislators are involved in the tuition setting process, that tuition hikes remain lower. Last year, I remember OUS was asking for double digit tuition hikes (about 15%). However, due to the public accountability and students ability to lobby, legislators kept tuition increases at an average of 5.5%! That accountability with elected officials saved each full-time student hundreds of dollars!!!
When OHSU went this route, it became the most expensive nursing school in the nation. What is going to prevent these same tuition hikes at our public universities and what is going to help us from seeing several of our peers priced out of a college education each and every year?
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It sounds like the PSU presidents idea doesn't remove legislative oversight, but that the UO presidents proposal definitely takes that power away.
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The comparison to OHSU is sadly apt. OHSU is a private firm in every respect. The salaries of the administrators at OHSU are unconscionable.
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The public corporation route also allowed OHSU to become one of the top nursing schools in the nation. As a society, we get what we pay for and unfortunately the citizens of Oregon have made a choice to continue to defund higher education. As a result, to maintain a modicum of quality universities have to raise tuition. Tax funding per student is nearly half of what it was 20 years ago; that gap needs to be made up somehow.
Right now, our colleges are in limbo. They can't control tuition revenue and can't control tax revenue. We can't have it both ways. Let's either return to the model where taxes fund the majority of higher education in the state, or allow universities to control their own revenue stream.
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One of the reasons State schools exist is so the less accademic students can get a degree without being able to keep the ultra high GPA'S. I now see that at the UofO you have to have a 3.0 just to get in. My dopughter does well at High School but will never be a 3.0 student why is she being excluded from this school that was bulit with our taxes? UofO, OSU and PSU have be come elite instutions that are not serving the average person
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I think you're confusing state universities with local community colleges. The main focus of community colleges is accessibility and educational opportunities for everyone. The primary focus of any university will be to become as competitive and selective as possible due to world-renowned degree programs. To strive to be as average as possible would result in the loss of your entire faculty and an unemployed former president.
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PSU bases admission on a combination of gpa and test scores. If students cannot meet those minimums, it is unlikely they will be successful at first. The better option may be for them to take community college classes to make up for the gaps and then transfer into a four-year institution. Our community colleges do a wonderful job of preparing students for four-year degrees. Transfer student gpa minimums are typically lower. At PSU, there is even the option of co-admission to PSU and local area community colleges which saves students money and offers them more choices of classes/schedules. I would love to see less of a relationship between the Oregon universities and tighter relationships between four-year institutions and their local community colleges. Local agreements would really allow us to prioritize the educational needs of our communities. PSU's motto is "Let Knowledge Serve the City." We do not have much in common with UO or OSU and should not be managed in the same manner.
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As proud as we may be of the accomplishments of our Oregon schools, the fact is that have been on a starvation diet for decades, and this is reflected in eroding quality of faculty, declines in the national rankings, and ultimately our economic well-being (how much do you think the income gap between Washington and Oregon is a product of the University of Washington?).
This issue resonates beyond the state schools to the whole system of higher education in Oregon. At my own liberal arts college, we have faced difficulties in hiring and retaining faculty because spouses and domestic partners have no chance for a competitively paid job in this state.
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I grew up in the shadow of Oregon's closing of the one room school houses. I saw High Schools crammed with vets taking welding and continuing education classes. It is my opinion that Oregon's support of schools slowed hugely when community colleges took all that activity out of High Schools. While not a vote for taking away community colleges, I would encourage a higher use of high schools for community education of folks that live nearby. That gets more folks voting for "their"local school. Stakeholder is an important factor in education. And geography is a huge cost in education.
I have taught at OSU and Marylhurst, so I have some perspective of the "system" in Oregon. I wished then and now that we had more 503c (non-profit) representing a specific industry associated with schools. Like where are the folks wanting products through Oceanography, as just one example? You can't get classes in how to make a business plan at the School of Oceanography because it is a grant/research profit center. It would be self interest for the citizens of the State to have such associations and it is a way to get professors extra money to be very good at the full spectrum from pure research to applied research to applied job generating business ventures. No, colleges are for the pure purpose of advancing knowledge, not advancing the area specific research that could work and put to work folks here. While Michigan got off the tracks with its ties with the Auto Industry, there has to be a happy medium of private and public in schools that would make Legislators happy to support becuase they see the future flows helping raise the whole of the State.
My view would be for partnerships at schools to be both the high standard of research and applied projects. That is hard to do when your deans are purely research folks and publish or perish still exists as a path to success.
(On that note, the fact that no PhD program I know of outside of education has a class within its normal course of instruction on how to teach effectively, a whole other can of worms.)
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The student talked about the public role of legislators in setting tuition.. but the PSU president talked earlier about how the legislature will still get to do that through budget notes. What is the worry then?
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I know the UO proposal removes the legislature from the process. There are a lot of proposals on the table right now, but none of them is based on increasing public accountability.
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The problem is that the legislature will have its power taken away. In other words, the University administers will gain power over a very large sum of tuition money that rightfully belongs to the State of Oregon. The argument that tuition should only be directed to the University administrators is very wrong. Education comes with a high cost (infrastructure, police, roads, etc. etc.) to all citizens of the State.
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It definitely sounds like the UO proposal takes Oregon out of the equation.
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As a former student that draft the OUS tuition policy documents, I think that the most important thing to remember is that any decide made needs to include and have meaningful participation of students. it is only when the two sides work together in conjunction with the legislation that we can find solutions that work for all the stakeholders. Oregon must have all side working together to find a solution that answers the needs of all parties involved in this matter.
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President Lariviere's disrespectful comment to his own student should show everyone his attitude to students.
How can we be sure that he'll prioritize students when he feels more comfortable insulting them?
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I attended Portland State from 2003-2007, and during that time the Presidents Salary was increased to just over $300,000. - about six times the median income of the average Oregonian.
After graduating, my income is about $35k a year, and perhaps half of that comes from my education. So, as a home owner and a tax payer, I'd like to know what benefits would i see for doubling or tripling the ammount of taxes I pay for higher ed.
It's also hard to take hearing from people who have an income far and above mine that I should in some way be paying more taxes. I'm sure the increase in taxes they would pay would hardly be noticible to them, but as a veteran, and like many other Oregonians, I have to account for every dollar, and every dollar more in taxes I pay out has a significant effect on my life.
These gentlemen should start thinking about the context of what they are asking.
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Agreed.
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The reason the President of a large research university earns six times the median income of the average Oregonian is because the scope of his work isn't that of an average Oregonian. In fact, any CEO of a similarly-sized private corporation would be making at least five times as much. I realize $300,000 is a lot of money, but nobody qualified to do so is insane enough to take on the responsibility of a major research university and actually do a good job at it for $50k.
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And exactly WHAT RESEARCH does Richard Lariviere do, as President of the University of Nike?
It was my understanding that Professors were required to do research from time to time, not the Administrative Staff (like the President, the Provost -- and just what the heck does a Provost do, anyway?).
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Under the proposal crafted by the University Presidents, guess who sets the salaries of the administrators? Yes, you got it. The salaries of the top administrators won't be set by our elected officials. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house!!
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Um.. I think it's always been that way. And it's that way with every university in the country. All higher ed folks are in the same talent pool. We pay good money to get good people. It isn't like putting a want ad out there and seeing who'll do it for cheapest.
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Who wants the cheapest unviersity president anyway? CEO's of billion dollar corps get paid a lot... this is the same. -- michaelO — Mon Jan. 3rd 9:59a.m.
I would like to see Universities handle the money I spend on tuition in a responsible manner. Just because the tuition is higher at one university doesn't automatically mean that university is better than any other in all fields. Johns Hopkins, for example, is widely regarded as being an excellent med school, but I don't know that it is the most expensive in terms of tuition rates.
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I wonder if a contract could be established so that in return for the public subsidizing their education each graduate would pay back into a college endowment some very small percent of their earnings over their lifetime.
Educators always use the increase in life time earnings as a selling point for promoting higher education, so part of that subsidized increase could be returned as an investment for the future students.
Actuaries could establish that figure.
Help graduates to help the future students to stand on their shoulders.
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They already pay back. One of the main factors in educating your citizens is to increase earnings, which in turn returns more to the state and local economies in the form of taxes. It doesn't go directly back into the endowment, but something like that would be very hard to manage as students move out of state or the country. If the student considered their experience worthwhile, then hopefully they feel compelled on their own to be a lifelong contributor to their university's foundation.
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We must keep tuition low and by keeping budget notes from Legislation tuition can stay low. All the Universitys must stay together. Students must have an active role in tuition setting.
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I've been hearing these complaints and solutions for the past twenty years. Whether it is in Arizona, California, Washington and in many other states of the union college and university tuitions continue to escalate. Last week on NPR and news item stated many professors are now earning more than a million dollars a year. This is the problem. Yet, in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and France the cost for a university degree including a PHD is free. I have many friends whom teach in Austria. There are no good excuses for for raising tuitions on what almost seems like on a daily basis. I do not buy into the remedy solutions presented to resolve the high cost of education in this country, which are not remedies. It seems to me that creating debt and interest earned by banks is the main goal of education. In short greed is the driving culprit that is ruining the chances for one to better him or herself via education. This method of education creates a huge class devision too.
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Jacob the reasons students take longer are numerous and include but are not limited to: budget cuts remove teaching staff leaving required courses a battleground to be able to complete within four years; financial dire straits are so severe and ongoing that students and their families (if they even have families to help support which is often not the case with the non-traditional older students) simply are unable to afford being in school full time; student jobs are extremely scarce and in the case of the non-traditional older students returning to finish college their skills frequently do not match the hours available for work as they conflict with class times and NO "most education" cannot be had "at night or on the weekend" despite what the Buy-A-Degree For Profit schools chirp so merrily on broadcast media. I could go on literally for hours on the WHY students are unable to complete in four years. Rather than FORCING students and ASSUMING (falsely - remember to "assume" means to make an a** out of U and ME) that every student has a mommy and daddy just awaiting to underwrite that tuition/fees/books expense. As one Oregon State Higher Ed Board member put it a couple of years ago in an open meeting, when a student is faced with buying food/paying rent/fixing the brakes on the car the student needs to get to work versus paying tuition, guess what wins? And NO not "all students" live on campus which is horrifically expensive and often more affordable off campus, and NO not all students live where there is adequate (or any) public transportation. Please educate yourself more in depth about the real issues before snotting off about how these students who don't complete in four years are "just being selfish"!
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I would like to point out to people who have never attended any open public meetings of the Oregon State Board of Higher Education that the theory of making public colleges "corporations" probably started with the Board president for a few years who was also the Nike mover and shaker. That would be Don Blair. At every meeting I attended there was Don expounding on his latest theory of how to put the Oregon University System on a FOR PROFIT basis. Public universities are tax supported and profit should not be their goal. They exist to provide EDUCATION which helps the state in the long run. Think about it. Further: I hope I don't get sued for this but this really, really needs to be outed: there is SO MUCH FRAUD WASTE AND ABUSE in the Oregon University System that it really, really, really needs to be investigated and in some cases prosecuted. It. Really. Needs. To. Be. Investigated. IT IS SHOCKING BEYOND BELIEF AND THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD BE LOOKING HARD AT THIS FRAUD WASTE AND ABUSE BEFORE RAISING TUITION AND FEES ANY FURTHER. IT IS HARMING STUDENTS, IT IS HARMING AN INCREASINGLY REDUCED AND IF REMAINING EVER MORE POORLY PAID FACULTY AND IT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG NOT TO MENTION VIOLATING EVERY FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY REGULATION KNOWN TO THE STATE OF OREGON. And did you know that if you are not a state employee you have NO "whistleblower" protection and can be sued within an inch of your life?
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Students need more help navigating the Univeristy System. If their parents were fortunate enough to graduate from college, they are more likely to be successful in coming up with a reasonable plan to finish college in 4-5 years. But what if no one in your family has ever attended college and your high school did not do a good job of preparing you? When budgets are cut, support staff are the first to go in our public universities. There are not enough advisors to help students understand their options and make sound academic or financial decisions for college.
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actually, I think is absurd! in today's world pay dearly in a book for non-profit is reallydisastrous, in my view it is as bad in his pocket, on the planet, after all pages weremade for nothing? Hugs!
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I think a major waste of higher education is that students are taking 2-3-4 even 6 extra years to finish a four year BA degree! It waste a resource that is fixed and limited, selfishly prevents younger students from enrolling and waste time and money that will never be recovered.
A high school student who takes five years to finish a 4 year high school program is considered a FAILURE. We do not permit post graduate high school education--taking an extra year or two. Or allow post kindergarten studies.
Only 40% of public university students finish a 4 year degree in 4 years. THIS IS A TRAVESTY. Young people are failing themselves. Universities are wasting 20-100% more resources than needed. And careers and life milestones are lagging. The Biological clock does not corresponding pause.
Perhaps, students should have a plan for their education or their life prior to enrolling in the most expensive venture they will undertake up to this point in life. At least write a one page essay about your life plan...or one paragraph. Most high school students spend 100 times more time playing video games than in career exploration or planning. And possibly half of freshman-sophmore college education is wasted because of the lack of a plan.
Students see their past forebears who graduated college in four years and became an officer and fought in WWII commanding a dozen men and marrying before age 21 yo.....as some kind of preternatural prodigy. These students live in a adolescent virtual word playing Call of Duty, but not able to mature into real leadership.
Make a 4 year BA degree = four years, and save 20-80% of education costs. Have more educated young people. Have less rudderless students in limbo. And have young people out earning money, starting families, buying homes and becoming mature adults they are meant to be.