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@degedidear

You said "Much of this "discussion" is really a name-calling contest."

I've read through all the comments.  Are you aware that most of the name-calling is coming from Scientologists?

Aren't you ashamed of such behavior in the name of Scientology?

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@JeanneBa, louanna and the rest

You accuse Jeff Hawkins of being a "supporter and spur" to Anonymous.

And your proof of this is...?

Totally lacking.  Guess what?  Jeff Hawkins is not a supporter or "spur" to Anonymous.  He does not and never has posted on any Anonymous forum.  I've never seen any Anonymous posting that took advice or suggestions from Hawkins.

If you want to libel someone with false information, you should at least try a little harder to make it believable.

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@degedidear

That's wonderful.  I know that a number of people feel that Scientology has helped them.  I don't think anyone was denying that.

But your experience does not prove that everything the Church of Scientology does is good.  It does not prove that L. Ron Hubbard did not lie.  It does not prove that David Miscavige doesn't abuse his staff.

And your personal experience does not prove anything beyond that: You had some good personal experiences with Scientology..

On the other hand, the New Yorker article, and others like it, with extensive independent investigation, verification and fact-checking does prove many things about David Miscavige, Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.

Things you are not allowed to know or see.

The fact that you have been forbidden from looking, does not mean those facts don't exist.  The fact that you are forbidden from reading these exposés does not mean they are false.  The church's draconian restrictions only mean the Church of Scientology doesn't want you to know certain things, that's all.

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You have seen here, Scientologists' comments.

This is Scientology:  In a recent comment, the Scientologist assigned to "handle" this discussion, complains about all the "hate" he claims is in the comments, but then he uses all these terms to describe the critics:

"Hate-mongering bigots", "parrot lies and distortions", "cynics", "naysayers", "narrow-minded bigot", "running dog press", "anti-religious fanatics", "corrupt people" and he asserts that all Scientology whistle-blowers are guilty of crimes "for which they could be jailed".

Who is "spreading hate" here?

This is Scientology.  This is the way Scientologists actually think.  This is what they are trained to say and do.

"Just try it," they urge. "Just try it, then you will become like us."

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@WriterBoy

"It delivers what it promises."

Ah, if only it did.

But there are no actual Scientology Releases, no real Clears, no one with "OT Powers", no recovery from drugs, no handling of illiteracy.  No results.

I feel so sorry for you.  If only it "delivered what it promised".

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I really want to thank louanne and the other Scientologists for showing up and demonstrating exactly what Scientology is all about.

Denial and personal attack.

Anyone interested in knowing why Scientologists communicate so strangely, read up on cults.  Scientologists' reactions are very typical cult behavior.

In comparison, Jeff Hawkins sounded very gentle and intelligent -- and didn't say anything bad to his attackers or even say bad things about the religion itself.  A real class act.

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