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on 12,000 Jobs
Two points:
1. Why not just pump the money into the general unemployment fund and loosen the requirements (so that more people can more easily receive unemployment)? While the 'let's make busywork' concept is laudable, if enacted as described will only modestly help about 1 in 7 officially looking for jobs.
2. What procedures are in place to ensure that only persons authorized to work (in the US) can apply for, and receive, those jobs?
posted 4 years ago
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'More students in Oregon colleges means cheaper tuition rates and fees" ??? What kind of logic is that? Enrollments have been increasing and I'm unaware that tuition has decreased anytime recently. So your "cheaper tuition" is just pie in the sky'
Agree. And...
If one could take that faulted logic and extrapolate to larger schools, then the schools with the largest enrollment *should have* the least expensive tuition... but, once again, reality intercedes as we all know that is not the case (those might have lower tuition rates sometimes, but actual tuition rates are fixed by governing bodies and only factor in things such as expected tuition proceeds in upcoming years, etc. In short, there may be some relation, but it is not a 1:1 correspondence).
The problem with the proposed economics by JSnake is that tuition proceeds only represent a portion of the total package of funding needed to put a person through school in a given year. If universities had to sustain themselves on tuition proceeds alone, most would close their doors in short order.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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KMFA wrote:
"How do illegal aliens pay taxes? It is illegal to hire aliens, so they can't."
Well, let me offer a small technical correction. Your statement should be: "
"How do illegal aliens pay taxes? It is illegal to hire illegal aliens, so they can't."
Technically, an "alien" (non-US citizen/resident) can be hired but only with authorization from the Fed. Gov't (USCIS). A temporary worker on a specialized visa would be a good example. Otherwise, you are correct - it is illegal to hire an illegal alien. US Federal Law is clear on this subject.
PS. "KMFA" - LOL, love that user name.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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No. That is primarily a problem the child's parent must assume responsibility for.
They CHOSE to move here despite the rules and regs, and further, they KNEW they weren't supposed to do so in that manner.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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subscriber43 wrote:
"oregonian37 apparently favors open borders. Just let anybody enter and settle in this country anytime. We already have twice the population that is environmentally sustainable, but no matter, let the world move on in."
Good on you. The most basic aspects of population, growth, sustainability are lost on the open border adherents. I'd be willing to bet, most posters here don't even know the most basic facets of the US population at the present time - such as:
Total Number: ?
Growth Rate: ?
Proportion of Pop. Growth due to Immigration: ?
When is enough, actually enough?
Arguing for open borders (indirectly, the mass movement or migration into the US) is an invitation for a rapidly increasing population. This population increase 'bucks' the trends in other Western/developed nations and increasingly favors the immigration of low-skilled persons that have relatively little to offer an advanced economy which thirts for highly trained/skilled individuals. So, let me leave this point with a question for the other side:
1. How many of the remaining 6.3 billion persons can the US 'welcome' - legally, illegally, or <whatever>?
2. Which of those persons should get preference, and why?
3. Which of the environmental problems that face us, are ameliorated by 'just adding more people'?
4. With respect to illegal immigration, why do we continue to place effective barriers to persons from regions of the world that are NOT Mexico/Central/South America? (the overwhelming proportion of illegal immigrants hail from Mexico and Central America) - why not let in people from Asia, Africa, the Middle East - in addition to Mexico/Central America - in equal proportions?
If people have doors to their houses, and fences around their yards, why do borders around a nation seem so antithetical?
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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"How many people listening to your program have checked the status of their own family members many generations back to see if the original members of their family got in the USA legally?"
Mine did - confirmed.
Yours?
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"Well one of the requisites is to be working towards residency, so its highly likely that they would be able to work."
I agree, that is desirable and sounds good in theory, but I wonder how the actual application and enforcement of this will take place. I think this condition is the weakest one in the set listed for HB2939.
It appears to be another case of 'let's pass a law to get what ["we" - provide your group du jour here] want today, and put off on the actual implementation of the details until [some vague or uknown time or condition in the future]. I have posed the following questions to your side previously (different time/place) and STILL have yet to receive a complete and adequate response:
1. What happens if the person does not follow through on the residency process requirement?
2. Which steps in the process will be deemed sufficient to be considered compliant? (The statement 'working toward residency' is overly vague. I fear that, legally, it is probably meaningless, and hence unenforceable). The specific steps and USCIS form numbers need to be specified in order to easily determine compliance or non-compliance).
3. Will failure to comply be enforced with a withholding of a degree, reversion back to out-of-state tuition, or similar?
4. If, for whatever reason, USCIS issues a 'denial' and for an individual (included under this law) to leave the country (yes, it does happen...) what guarantee do we have that the person will comply with the order? What provisions exist to reward good behavior and punish or discourage bad behavior?
Look, I sympathize with these people somewhat at a personal level. Having attended 3 public universities and achieved 2-2.5 degrees (last officially an MSc), I know what the system 'is' and how it 'works' (or fails to work). At the same time, we are faced with this very problem because other laws were passed some time ago, that also promised 'the goods' up-front, but managed to obfuscate or put off the important details that ensured compliant behavior.
Had earlier immigration laws been honored and respected, this twisted scenario where people's lives hang in the balance would never have presented itself. Creating vague and nebulous laws which lack detail and leave large loopholes only guarantee that someone, somewhere, will be sitting down having a similar discussion in the future.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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The proponents of HB2939 have expended great effort in assuring we non-believers that this is 'good policy', 'fair', 'fiscally responsible', etc. (my words, not theirs in all fairness), however, there is one GLARING problem with the entire scenario here:
It doesn't matter how cheap/expensive, educated/not educated, fair/unfair this is - for no matter the number of students, the degrees conferred, the expenses accrued... THOSE STUDENTS (as "Jennifer" interviewed for this story ) CANNOT LEGALLY WORK IN THE U.S. when all is said and done ANYWAY (at least for the subpopulation of non-American born students; noting the the US born group does have a subtle but different set of problems to overcome). For some, any/all the education could end up being a complete waste of time and resources.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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1. Re: "So considering they are already here, do we prefer they go uneducated so they can truly..."
It is not my problem. The parents CHOSE to put their kids in this predicament - not I.
2. Also, Re: "hey've already broken the law haven't they..."
So, anyone can pick and choose which laws they want to obey? So I only have to adhere to the ones I find convenient, or agree with? How does that work??? Because there's a plethora of things I could do to get rich, etc and would love to circumvent all those pesky things that might get in my way of doing so... but, alas, I'm an honest, law-abiding guy and would never do such thing anyway...
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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"Let's face it. This is not about illegal immigration. "
Absolutely it is. We'd never be having this conversation had our immigration laws been enforced over the last couple of decades.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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"f we have an educated population it helps us all. "
Not if it requires breaking the law to do so.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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"I don't understand why this girl's parents were not able or willing to get that process going after 18 years of being in this state?"
Yep, and...
Had our immigration laws been enforced robustly in the past, we'd never even be having this conversation - the problem would be moot.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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Yep, she can't legally work in the US anyway - given all current factors.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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Legislative Counsel of Oregon <> SCOTUS (Sup. Court of the US)
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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"And once again, this bill requires working toward residency, which negates the unfounded "illegal" college graduate fear and claim."
And that will be proved HOW exactly?
Who will verify this? What documentation will be needed?
Who will certify this event?
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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Right, where is the parent's culpability in all this?
THEY should be looked to FIRST for Jennifer's resolution to her problem.
posted 4 years, 1 month ago
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Why are we considering giving away a $13,000/yr per student benefit when all our major universities are running budget deficits?
(In fact, the State Board of Higher Education recently announced it is considering raising tuition for 'normal' [in state] students by $6,000 per year)
The sheer economics don't support this idea at this time.
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